Comments on: butch/femme invisibility? http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/ Celebrating Femme Identity Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:26:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Butch-Femme Visibility | The Femme Show http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Butch-Femme Visibility | The Femme Show Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:00:16 +0000 http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/#comment-10 [...] started out as a comment to Sassafras’s last entry but it got so long that I figured it could be its own [...] [...] started out as a comment to Sassafras’s last entry but it got so long that I figured it could be its own [...]

]]> By: Sassafras http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Sassafras Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:01:11 +0000 http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/#comment-9 "I think the butch femme dynamic can also read as queer, at least in the eccentric or unusual sense if not in the homosexual sense. " oh yes! that is very true, particularly in terms of chivalrous things etc. and i agree that it can be read as queer in terms of devating from cultural norms for sure, and can make folks take a second look in an attempt to "figure out" what is going on.... “I think the butch femme dynamic can also read as queer, at least in the eccentric or unusual sense if not in the homosexual sense. ”

oh yes! that is very true, particularly in terms of chivalrous things etc. and i agree that it can be read as queer in terms of devating from cultural norms for sure, and can make folks take a second look in an attempt to “figure out” what is going on….

]]> By: maggie http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/comment-page-1/#comment-8 maggie Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:01:23 +0000 http://www.thefemmeshow.com/blog/2008/01/04/butchfemme-invisibility/#comment-8 It's interesting to hear about the invisibility issue from another perspective. My experiences tend to be similar to the typical narrative you mention - I am read as queer when I'm seen in public with someone who's queer - not always people I'm dating, but friends who look queer as well. I have spent time with some butches and ftm folks who pass enough that we might be read as a heterosexual couple. But I think the butch femme dynamic can also read as queer, at least in the eccentric or unusual sense if not in the homosexual sense. If you're interacting in a certain kind of butch-femme dynamic, in the old fashioned chivalrous way, you're not exactly acting like a typical straight couple, so you're going to be noticed in public even if people can't figure out your gender or sexual orientation. It’s interesting to hear about the invisibility issue from another perspective. My experiences tend to be similar to the typical narrative you mention - I am read as queer when I’m seen in public with someone who’s queer - not always people I’m dating, but friends who look queer as well.

I have spent time with some butches and ftm folks who pass enough that we might be read as a heterosexual couple. But I think the butch femme dynamic can also read as queer, at least in the eccentric or unusual sense if not in the homosexual sense. If you’re interacting in a certain kind of butch-femme dynamic, in the old fashioned chivalrous way, you’re not exactly acting like a typical straight couple, so you’re going to be noticed in public even if people can’t figure out your gender or sexual orientation.

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